如果沒有進行閉關～可以在修持道上取得真正的進步嗎？

仁波切： 基本上，有兩種類型的弟子。第一種是獨特而稀有的，他們聽聞教法之後並不需要太多的努力就能明白教法的根本意義。比如，有些修行者在他很多的過去生積聚福德，跟隨上師、大師們學習，並且發了大願，因此能夠有這樣成熟的善業。

然而，絕大部分的弟子們，幾乎百分之九十九的弟子，如果不進行閉關修行是很難有進步的。如果真的想在修持道上有所進步，就必須要進行閉關。

我們需要在修行上投注努力精進，因為我們累生累世以來緊抓著希望和恐懼以及創造業債。

因此，創造、安排一段時間完全專注在法道修持和打破這些舊有習性是非常重要的。如果我們只是做短時間的禪修，要有所進步有一點困難。

仁波切：首先，你必須對你的上師有極大的虔敬心和信任，以及有敏銳的智慧。

或者有可能像印札菩提、毗盧遮那或龐 米翰 貢布那樣的修行者。 龐 米翰 貢布在80歲才遇到上師毗盧遮那，毗盧遮那給予他直指心性的教法，他當下就解脫了。 

歷史上，竹巴噶舉也有很多的大成就者，比如密勒日巴，但是，這些都是很稀有的情況。

 

 

 

密勒日巴因為即生成就所以總是被看為是最殊勝的實修者。

 

仁波切：是的，他付出很多的努力和時間致力於修行。並不是前一瞬間他很平凡，突然間他就證悟解脫了，那也有可能，但我並不鼓勵我的弟子們幻想那樣。

 

 

您是說幻想自己餘生都在山洞中修行？

 

仁波切： 不是的。是不要幻想即刻成就。我不想我的弟子們有這樣的想法，因為我認為 閉關修持對他們是更好的。

 

 

Q: Do you feel that your students can make real progress on the path without doing significant 

retreat practice? 

 

Rinpoche: Basically, there are two types of students. One is exceptional and rare. They hear the teachings and without too much effort realize the essential meaning. For example, practitioners who have accumulated merit over many past lifetimes, studied with special masters and made virtuous aspirations, can have this kind of ripening 

karma. 

 

However, for the vast majority of students, maybe up to 99%, it’s difficult to progress in practice without retreat. If you really want to progress on the path, you have to do retreat. 

We have to put effort into our practice because we have a long history of grasping onto hope and fear and creating karmic debts. 

 

So, it is very important to create periods of time to focus exclusively on practice and break these old habits. If we only meditate for short periods of time, progress can be a little bit difficult. 

If we only meditate for short periods of time, progress can be a little bit difficult.

 

Rinpoche: First of all, you have to have strong devotion and trust in your teacher and a 

sharp intelligence. 

Then maybe it’s possible to be someone like Indrabuti, Vairocana or Pang Mipham Gompo, who was 80-years old when he met Vairocana. Vairocana gave him the pointing out instructions and at that moment he was liberated. 

 

Historically, there have also been many accomplished Drukpa Kagyu masters such as Milarepa. But really, these have been rare occasions.

 

Q: Milarepa has always seemed the ultimate practitioner because he gained liberation within his 

own lifetime. 

 

Rinpoche: Yes, and he put a lot of effort and time into practice. It’s not like one instant he was ordinary, then suddenly liberated. That is possible, but I don’t recommend my students to fantasize on that. 

 

Q: You mean to fantasize about going to a cave for the rest of one’s life? 

 

Rinpoche: No. Not to fantasize about instant liberation. I don’t want to give this idea to my students because I think it is much better for them to practice retreat.